Thoughts #8

2 weeks ago, at Martin's concert, hubby and I decided to take the subway instead of driving to downtown Toronto... the subway was crowded as it was rush hour (5:30pm), we sat at the end of the train.

As we near the Union station (one of the busiest station), on my way out, I suddenly notice a well dress guy, lying on the floor in the middle of the train. And nobody was even checking to see if he was drank, sick, unconscious, or dead? I don't know how long this guy have been there. But he is definitely surrounded by a lot of people. My guess will be that he was already there before we got on as I didn't hear any commotion or fuss during the whole ride.

I usually scan my surroundings where ever I go, but as I said, the train was really crowded when we got on... and the train became less crowded at the time we were getting off too. Anyway, as I watched from the outside, I saw a guy starting to inspect him but not touching him. I don't know what happen next as it was not on the news.

This reminds me of Tom Cruise' Collateral which hubby and I recently watched on DVD. In the movie, Tom Cruise as Vincent said:

"17 million people. This was a country, it would be the fifth biggest economy in the world. But nobody knows each other. Too impersonal. But that's just know...

I read about this guy. Gets on the MTA, here, and dies. Six hours he's riding the subway before anybody notices. This corpse doing laps around LA, people on and off, sitting next to him, nobody notices." Full script here.

A friend (who took up Security classes) once said that if you come across an elderly who slipped, don't help the elderly by lifting him up, instead call 911. Weird right? The logic behind this is that this elderly can sue you later on for causing more injury. He may have broken something in his body during the fall, but if you help lift him up, you may have cause the injury to get worse, therefore it could be a ground for lawsuit!

Also, if you were the one who called 911, you are obligated to stay with that elderly until the medics and police arrived. Which can be a big hassle especially if you are in a hurry or late for appointment/work.

On the other hand, if you called 911, then the elderly suddenly stood up and walk away... 911 will charge you for sending medics/police when nobody was really hurt. For being helpful and caring, you will have to pay penalty.

Of course, there are also people who pretend to slip so they can sue someone else and profit from it.

So, do we go out of our way to help people we think needed help? Or should we just mind our own business?

Disclaimer: This is second hand information... and how I understand the system.

Please share your personal experience on this.

In helping others, we shall help ourselves,
for whatever good we give out
completes the circle and comes back to us."
~ Flora Edwards ~


Junnie said...

there are other ways to help like calling the attention of the TTC people, or asking any doctors around....from what i read, i dont think getting involved first hand, unless you are licensed to help, is a good idea. thanks for sharing.

now i know, its bad to sleep on the floor of the subway train hehehe :0

darlene said...

In US, there is what they call as The Good Samaritan Law. I'm not sure if there's an equivalent law in Canada. This law will surely protect the one person who rendered a helping hand.

Anonymous said...

I'd like to comment about the last topic about helping someone. We have a law that protects good samaritans in the US but I don't know to what extent. I have heard about people suing good samaritans. And it's kind of sad because this will cause people to hesitate to help. If I see someone "down" or in any situation that needs medical attention, I would still call 911 even if later it turns out nothing. Bahala na sila if it turns out that the person is fine....the intention is good, should be rewarded but not with a fees/charge for the hassle!!! What kind of a government that does this? E veryone should take a CPR class that will teach you basic assessment of a person who is "down" and "out", then one can initiate rescue breathing or CPR if necessary. Any layman person trained in CPR can do that. Part of the CPR training also includes AED which is an easy-to-use automated external defibrillator. Anyone that is down can be hooked up to this and the machine can figure out if one is having a cardiac arrest and will give shocks if needed(defibrillation) in the scene. Anyone can do it, it's easy to use and the public should learn how going to CPR classes in their nearby fire department. So that's my little spill about that.
Jo from seattle

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Anonymous said...

Oh and by the way, AED is available everywhere now...esp in large public places such as the malls and the airports. Helped save a lot of lives.

maila said...

hello jo..
my hubby would change his uniform before we go out and eat at a restaurant. He never goes out in public in his uniform esp in a restaurant. He is licensed to help but still you just never know how people are, they sue you for helping them..

Patrice said...

Know what? In the store I work for, that is a company policy. Never help someone who has had a accident but to call for professional help when needed. That is excatly the reason, to avoid future lawsuits from aggravated injuries because of your help.

JO said...

Hi Junnie,

If I hadn't seen a guy checking out the other guy (lying on the floor), I would have alerted TTC personnel. hmmm... Maybe I should still have done that.

Hi Darlene and (the other) Jo,

This is the first time I've heard of the Good Samaritan Law... I made a research on the net, and yes, we do have that too in Canada. Thanks!

JO said...

Hi Honeypooh,

what does your husband do? is he in the medical field?

Hi Patrice,

kung nasa pinas tayo, i'm sure this will not be an issue.

angelove said...

There are reasons why one shouldn't move a body during an accident, as others pointed out one might agravate the condition. It's best to call paramedics except insome cases where a person has to be removed due to fire or of cause away from danger.I have taken CPR classes, and when one moves a body that is injured they might even actually casue the person to die if they don't know what they are doing. An example where a body shouldn't be moved is when there are brocken bones, and internal damages that are not visible to the eyes. One thing to check is their mouth for any obstruction to their breathing. And I agree that everyone should now CPR na first aid basics even if not working in the medical field.You never know when it will come in handy.It might even save your life.

atoy said...

naalala ko tuloy sa pilipinas pa. may laborer sa tabi ng aming building na electrocuted ang lapit naman sa police station at firestation para walng rumerespnd kaagad pati yong mga kasamang laborer hindi nabigyan kaagad ng saklolo yong kasama dahil shock sila kitang-kita namin nagaapyoy yong damit. tapos kumilos yong mama sigawan mga tao kasi baka mahulog. napilitan na kaming (ako at yong kapitbahay ko at mga kasama) kumilos ibinaba ngamin yong biktima at isinakay namin sa isang pick-up. 14 days natuluyan din siya kasi apektado mga internal organs niya.

JO said...

Hi Beth,

Yes, I believe I should take CPR/first aid classes too... you'll never know when you're going to need it.

Hi Atoy,

I guess our presence of mind is very important too when we witness accidents.

Pag natulala na ang isang tao sa acidente, di na talaga sya makakakilos na tumulong.

Denny said...

thankfully, I've never come across a person laying unconscious anywhere... I know I wouldn't touch... but I would call 911... all you need to do is give the pertinent info... when 911 starts asking your name, address, etc... it's time to hang up.

JO said...

hi Denny,

can you do that? can you just hang up on 911?

bugsybee said...

Hello JO.
Many years ago, an accident happened just a few meters outside my house. We saw two young people thrown off from their motorcycle after a speeding truck hit them and sped away. The young lady (who didn't have a helmet on) had blood oozing from her mouth and forehead and she was shaking like an epileptic. Our first instinct was to lift her and put her on the car to bring her to the hospital. But a friend who was also a nurse stopped us saying that lifting the young lady if she had a spine or neck injury might prove fatal. We had to wait for an ambulance. Good for us because they later found out that she indeed had a severe neck injury.
Thanks for visiting my blog. :)

Duke said...

I remember in first aid class, they said, when you don't know what is wrong with a person who had an accident or there are no physical evidence of trauma, it is better not to move him/her and immediately call for help. You can actually do more damage and harm if you try to move the person. Unless of course you see a physical sign like bleeding etc..

JO said...

Hi Bugsybee and Duke,

I guess in extreme cases of accidents, we really shouldn't try to be a 'hero'... simply for the fact that it might do more harm than good... The best thing is to call 911.

Thank you all for your inputs.